tv All In With Chris Hayes MSNBC February 12, 2015 5:00pm-6:01pm PST
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first openly gay player. good evening from new york i'm chris hayes. tonight mourners have gathered around the county -- from around the country in raleigh, north carolina. three students were slain. police have charged this man, craig steven hicks who lived in the same apartment complex as the victims. police say their preliminary investigation show the crime was motivated by aggravation from perceived parking infractions. others consider it a hate crime. the victim's family members plan
to send a member to the dth of justice for a formal hate crime investigation. >> even though the murder can say it was a parking dispute, whatever he was picking on he came to that apartment with his gun two or three times before the murder. on different occasions my daughter complainted daughter complained and said she felt that man hated them for the way they looked. she felt the heat had risen after she moved into the apartment and her friends came to visit in their muslim attire. >> tonight, the fbi has now opened a parallel inquiry to determine if any federal laws were violated. today, comments were posted she visited with her former elementary school teacher last summer.
>> growing up in america has been such a blessing and, you know, although in some ways do i stand out, such as but know the hijab i wear on my head the headcovering, there are still so many ways that i fell embedded in the fabric that is you know our culture. it doesn't matter where you come from there is so many different people from so many different places and becomes and religions, but now we're all one. joining me now is faris barakat, the brother of deah deah barakat. >> thank you for having me it was good to hear her voice again, thank you for that. >> how are you feeling today. i can't imagine the grief your family is going through and at the same time there has been such a remarkable outpouring.
you have been so embraced and people are thinking of you and praying for you, how are you feeling at this moment? >> honestly i speak on my behalf and the behalf of my family. grief is not something we feel right now. the support has been tremendous and we have hugged each other and told each other congratulations. i said congratulations to my mother because your son is now in paradise at the highest level. we don't feel grief, we will miss them soon but right now we're elated and we're so happy that god felt like we're strong enough to handle this and we rely on his wisdom for this plan, and we look forward to what is happening. no one can make sense of this but we're strong in our faith, and truthst me it is not grief that we're feeling. >> what do you want people to know about your brother, his wife, and her sister?
what should we know about what kind of people they were? >> i was asked this earlier, and i wasn't able to answer because i didn't want to answer and not give the chance to give the thousands of other people that they helped answer that as well with me. there is so much to talk about my brother and my sister-in-law. my brother was kind and agendagentle. but big and aggressive on the basketball court. and my sister-in-law was so soft spoken and was an able designer. and she was always creative with her ideas and always willing to use her talented for others. many times i wanted to resort to her and say i wanted to work on this project, and i want to resort to her on this occasion
but sadly, i have come to realize that i couldn't. >> i saw there was some reporting about the person who was accused of committing this horrendous crime having posted to facebook things about his own beliefs. being an atheist. and i saw one post by the american atheists and the condemning of the killings, and speaking of muslim killings and i wondered what your we response was to that? >> many people have tried to condemn this act. for atheist to think they have to condemn this act would be hypocritical for me.
as being a muslim, i know that one act of violence does not represent all muslims, and this does not represent all atheists. this does not represent any scene and loving human being as atheists can be. that is my response and thank you for everything. >> finally, i wanted to ask you if you have a message for the president of the united states. there is a wave of grief happening across this country. a feeling like this is some kind of important kalgalvanizing moment for the way that muslims embrace america, and i wonder if there is something you want to say to the president? >> i guess this message goes to the president, but every citizen of this democratic country. i hope that we can use this tragedy, as much as it is a great tragedy, i think that so much good has come out of it.
if we can continue to do that. continue to see the great blessing that it is and to hopefully, you know the only -- it doesn't challenge if this is classified as a hate crime or not. if we classify it as a hate crime, people will start to realize that fhobphobias and ignorance can kill and take citizens from this country and even more. my message is let's fight ignorance and fight hate together and use this as an excuse to do so. >> i have to say to you you and your family have showed tremendous grace. thank you for taking the time tonight, i know it is hard. >> thank you, thank you. this unfathomable tragedy is a rallying point across the
world. here at home with a outpouring of support for the three promising young muslim-americans who were observant and proud about their religion and in a million ways just utterly american. donations to his project to bring dental care to syrian refegees has now hit $225,000. it feels to me, as someone observing this admittedly from the outside, like a galvanizing moment a trayvon martin moment. very different in the facts, the senseless deaths of these three young people have struck such a profound nerve and mobilize so many because millions of people who look like those victims are
fed up with the stereotyping and the political leaders seeking to score cheap political points. whatever the motivations, it takes place in a context where muslim bias is part of american life and this feels like a wake up call. joining me now is the president and executive director of muslim advocates. i want to ask you about a letter that i understand you and other organizations are planning to send to the white house tomorrow? >> yes, chris, first i want to extend my deepest condolences to the families of the deepest victims. my thoughts and prayers are with them. like you were just saying chris, the level of the way in which this tragedy is being felt across the american muslim community, i have not seen anything like this since the tragic events of september 11th.
i can't tell you how many mess ams i have messages of mothers this week hugging their children tightly and hoping that these brutal murders are not the future for muslims in america. we know that unfortunately this was not an isolated incident. we know that in the last five years there has been a surprising uptick in anti-muslim hate crimes. that is why we're calling on the president and the attorney general to act. they have been silent. we need them to address these murders in clear and unconditional terms. and we want the attorney general to open a full and rigorous federal investigation to ensure that this does not happen again. it is absolutely important for the nation's top law enforcement officer to send a clear message to people not only in north carolina, but across this
country. >> as you know duo have just before we went on air, one report that appears such a parallel inquiry made have been initiated by the federal government. what do you say to people that say we don't know the motivations. the wife of the person who allegedly committed this crime it was over an alleged parks dispute. >> i think given the environment in which this took place, chris, especially in the last even the last several weeks where we have seen politicians from state houses to governor bobby jindal make anti-muslim comments. where we have seen frankly, just threatening messages on social media. particularly after the release of the hollywood movie "american
sniper." there is an environment taking place. and the fbi started a preliminary inquiry. we think that is a good step but they don't always result in full investigations. so we're seeking a full and open rigorous investigation. we think that is what is needed because of this climate of hate. it is not just taking place in north carolina, but it is taking place across the country. >> before we leave, i want to show statistics about hate crimes on muslims in this country. they were very low before 2001. they have skyrocketed and they have remained quite and disturbingly high since then. as same-sex marriage licenses
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career in law enforcement and is a bush appointee, the fbi director delivered hard truths today. he spoke unsparingly about law enforcement's role in this country's legacy of racism. >> all of us in law enforcement must be honest enough to acknowledge that much of our history is not pretty. at many points in american history, law enforcement enforced the status quo, a status quo that was often brutally unfair to certain groups. little compares to that on our soil of black americans. that experience should be part of every american's consciousness and law enforcement's role in that experience including in recent times, must be remembered. >> his speech was framed around events of the deaths.
at the same time he sought to defend law enforcement and focus on the long complicated feelings. >> law enforcement is not the root cause of problems in our neighborhoods. police officers, people of courage and integrity in the overwhelming mane are in the neighborhoods risking their lives to protect folks from offenders that will not be solved by body cameras. >> we'll, phillip, i thought this was a pretty amazing speech, what was your take on it. >> i was gobsmacked. i felt the way you felt. you're not expecting to see the director of the least trusted body in the federal government in black communities coming out and saying everyone is a little bit racist. that was mind blowing.
i think it shows the incremental changes that give people so much hope. >> he quotes a congress "everybody is a little bit racist." members of law enforcement and police officers feel -- they get into a defensive crouch. you're calling me a racist. the point that every person even african-americans as demonstrated in lots of laboratory environments have anti-black bias. that is just part of what under lies anyone doing their job in law enforcement or elsewhere. >> what i found to be even more maybe sort of radical in what he was saying is he said it's easy to localize this problem within the character of law enforcement. and his concern was that is too easy. that the problem is bigger than that and we all need to take ownership of the bigger
problems. this speech was the power of honesty, and even more it was the power of historical literacy. the points he was making was profound from any director of the fbi, and beyond that he got specific. he sits the desk where the order was received five lines, to wiretap martin luther king. saying that out loud is a brand new day for the relationships in these communities. >> and he talks about keeping -- why he keeps a copy of that wiretap request as a reminder of what the history of the fbi is. this is an agency that has done not pretty gnarly things over the decades. >> yes again, it was
phenomenal. my phone was buzzing off of the hook. there was a lot of folks in law enforcement that felt in way that have been waiting for leadership to come out and say it. he ends the speech talking about data that he knows good and well that major city law enforcement have been calling for not just on police involved shootings, but on all police behavior. it was a phenomenal speech. not just a work of amazing politics but incredible honesty, and a good news race story when we could really use one. >> he said it is ridiculous i can't tell you how many americans were shot by police last year. always a pleasure thank you. >> thank you. >> of all of the tough questions that presidential contenders face i don't think this should be one of them? >> do you believe in it? are you going to accept --
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opponents of same-sex marriage has basically waved the white flag. as recently as 2003 33% of the country supported same-sex marriage. then, ten years later, 50% of the country supported same-sex marriage. jason collins said i'm glad i'm o coming out in 2013 instead of 2003. joining me is jason collins. thank you for being here. >> thank you for having me. >> we have the marriage case coming before the supreme court what is your feeling about where we are in this trajectory of progress? >> it is a little frustrating when you see people fighting against change. some people are digging in their heels, trying to find ways around it.
i think ultimately marriage equality will be a fact in this country in all 50 states. slowly we're on that path and with the supreme court case that is coming up later, in a couple months, we're looking forward to the outcome of that. >> do you -- when you made the decision to do what you did, how did that alter the trajectory of your life? >> my life is exponentially better in so many ways. i was able to go out and play on the court. there is a picture here from my game playing at denver i think that was my third game back in the league. but just being able to after the game is over not having to hide who i am. in some of the games, here in new york and brooklyn my boyfriend was there waiting in the family room like everyone else's loved one.
you have a private life and you don't feel like you have to hide anything. you are able to go out there and do your job and play your sport. >> did things change much? it seemed to me like it was largely a nonissue. maybe that was a wrong perception. how was it from your standpoint. >> it was a huge issue for some of my teammates. one in particular took time especially in that first week i came back to pull me aside and said this is huge for the country, a great sports moment and how proud of me he was and that i was back in the league. moments like that are incredible, especially i have seen it now for rogers with the galaxy. for so many times, women were --
i'm so thankful for every athlete, male or female who came out. we're all on the same team and making it easier and better for the next generation. are there closeted male athletes that reach out to jason collins saying what should i do? >> maybe not saying what should i do but i have been a mentor that shifted instead of mentoring young centers, this is how you give a foul this is how you take a charge this is how you flop these are good people good resources to know a good support system. we talk about supports and basketball and private lives and how they're doing. trying to offer another level of support for them.
>> it has always struck me being young, having millions of dollars, trying to have a private romantic life is hard enough. >> typically, we're taller i'm seven feet. i do not blend in unless i'm on a basketball court. it is important for people to feel comfortable in their own skill and live their authentic life because it will alleviate stress. >> could we talk about how great this nba season has been? it is fantastic? >> my twin brother jerin is an assistant coach with the warriors, i'm looking forward to catching up with him this weekend. >> if you love basketball there is nothing more beautiful, it's like listening to a symphony watch the golden state warriors
when they're turning it up and firing on all cylinders. >> i liken it to those that play video games, on nba jam when a guy is on fire. some of their shots -- they have so many shooters. the cleveland cavaliers are playing very well and you have chicago, and that combination that seems to be finally checking with derek rose. and how scarey that you could have oklahoma city or san antonio as make a eight seed or a seven seed. >> do you think there has been interesting talk about going to the best 16 teams as opposed to the best eight in each conference. >> there is one team we were
about 500 and we went to the playoffs, and -- i am in favor of just having the best teams. >> this is the most important question, can you get me tickets to the big game? >> i know a guy who knows a guy. >> basketball game this weekend, in fact. parents who do vaccinate their kids parents who don't vaccinate their kids and there are parents who delay vaccinating their kids. one of the doctors who justifies doing that will do just that, stick around.
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cooperating in an investigation. he may have infected riders on the bart services. and this alarming shard has been published showing the measle vaccination rates at children of silicon valley areas. the red lines are day cares where less than 90% of children had vaccines. it i colludes some affiliated with google ibm, wixar. delaying vaccines is the real under cover story. introducing the first-ever lexus nx turbo and hybrid. once you go beyond utility there's no going back. to be honest, i thought a lot of toothpastes were pretty much the same. but then my husband started getting better dental checkups than me, so i did what he did. i went pro with crest pro-health
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anti-vaccinators anti-vaccinators. there is a larger group of people delaying their vaccinations of their children. in recent congressional hearings senator elizabeth warren posted a series of questions of the cdc, dispensioning many of the concerns of antivaxers linking vaccines to disorders, and they shared concerns of vaccine delayers. >> are there additives or preservatives in vaccines that can be toxic to kids? >> not in the amount in a vaccines vaccines. >> is there any benefit in giving them further apart or
delaying them any healthier? >> no, it it is more dangerous. >> is there other ways by eating nutritious foods and exercising. >> and yet one of the best sellers on amazon is "the vaccine book." in his book dr. bob sears offers an alternative vaccine schedule. spreading the shots out reduces the risk of having a severe reaction and avoids overloading babies with too many chemical ingredients at one time. there is no science behind the delayed schedule. i'm going to ask the author of the vaccine book why he is pushing a program that is so
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experience with them and i spent years. decades even, researching medical medical journals. it started in medical school and i learned everything i could vaccines. >> but you're not publishing work in this area? >> no i'm a full-time practicing pediatrician i'm not a researcher. >> where is the published peer reviewed evidence to support the notion of a overload when you follow the cdc recommended schedule? where does that exist? >> i don't think there is any such research and i never claimed there was. i certainly have put out there, and very clearly in my writings that my precautions on spreading out vaccines are theoretical. it's a theoretical benefit to kids and a choice that i think more parents feel more
comfortable and and might bring more parents to vaccinate if they can spread the shots out more than the regular schedule. >> i watch your interviews and i'm sort of always confused about whether you're saying you're doing this to make parents more comfortable or if you think there is something to it. the most cynical interpretation is you spotted a market to be the sensible middle in the vaccine debate where you can sell books to people for saying you can have your cake and eat it too. just delay and you can have the best of both worlds. >> when you look back into the '80s, we gave about eight vaccines back then. almost more parents complied. they felt it was safe and you didn't see a lot of reactions. and in the '90s and 2000s, and now it is 54. some parents are questioning is
this escalation too much for their little babies to handle. >> this is the thing i that think i find somewhat maddening about this. throwing out these numbers and saying little babies reafies a notion they have to be scared of it. we have science and peer reviewed research for a reason. we know we can con dugtduct peer reviewed research on this. if none of that churns up negative effects, are you feeding fears, isn't it superstition? >> as you may already know about 2,000 veer reactions are reported to the centers for disease control every year from vaccines. vaccines that land someone in the hospital, create a permanent disability or death. 2,000. i will also say these are not proven reactions to the
vaccines these are simply self reported reactions. what does the medical community do with that? they ignore them because we can't prove the vaccines cause these. they just set them aside and ignore them. >> we're talking about a cohort, roughly every year of 2,000 about of 10 million kids. if this is the concern, it seems to me that the precautionary tale is to get your kids vaccinated on the schedule supported by the best most current medical research, and push for additional research in other areas. if they additional researches something else move towards that but delaying causes real harm that we're seeing happen across this country. >> i definitely don't tell anyone to delay any vaccines that pose a direct threat for
their communities. i delay mensome by one month. i delay some vaccines that don't make sense, like hepatitis b. i'm not forcing a vakccine that makes no sense down their throat. >> let me say on the hepatitis b, the cdc changed the recommendation because they found that day care centers were a site of transmission because there was more people in those areas not vaccinated. dr. bob sears, thank you for coming on i appreciate you
coming. let's turn now to the ceo of community health tv. doctor, i know you do research and work in this area. this idea, there is an intuitive appeal delaymen some by a month. >> we think about parental preferences, they're baits onsed on emotion and not science. we know that of four million kids will get combination vaccines this year alone, and it's 1.1 in 1 million will have a serious effect or adverse injury. the chances of you taking a aspirin and having a hemorrhage
is much higher. there is a registry and people can report vaccine injury and adverse reactions to this. not only can doctors do it but parents and teachers can do it and there is no cause and effect. if i get a flu vaccine, and i walk out to the street and get hit by a car, that is listed in that system. that didn't mean anything. >> let me tell you, i'll give you an honest moment. my first daughter we took her though get shots and it's upsetting to watch your infant kid get shots. she was acting kind of like -- she was in a bad mood afterwards and the thought went across my mind like oh man, was it the vaccine? the shot? i can imagine if she got sick self reporting that even if there is no possible provable scientific connection between the two. >> exactly. what happens is everyone wants to protect their kids. when is the last time a 25 to
35-year-old man or woman saw someone limping around america because they got polio. they don't know the illness without vaccination and sanitation america would not even be here. let's talk about that. we know the delayed vaccination thing, you cannot base your whole livelihood on bogus science. and i'm talking to you right now as a parent and as a doctor, and as a researcher. i was in training when that came out in 1998 and i had a newborn kid. i looked at the data and i saw this was bogus. this dude got $600,000 from lawyers to sue the vaccine manufacturer. that is the only guy that ever came out with that. then you have jenny mccarthy saying it, she got her degree
from playboy university. i'm telling you we must keep this in proportion. i want to say one more thing about this measles, mumps and rubella shot. if a boy does not get the shot and he gets the mumps, he can get orchitis which can cause him to be steshlrile and not have children. a woman can have stillbirths if she did you want get the shot. >> if you think these diseases don't effect anyone anywhere and i can make the decision because i feel icky about that, enough people do that and you get needles in disneyland. that was remarkable television. that was really really
incredible stuff, chris, well done. thanks to you at home for joining us this hour. governors almost never quit. it's a good gig. that main question how hard it is to imagine why someone would give up that particular job. that was one of the challenges for the news media when alaska governor and former republican party vice presidential nominee decided to quit during her first term in alaska. there didn't seem to be in good reason to quit. when she announced she was quitting, for a long time into her speech no one could figure out what she was saying if she was quitting and why she was. >> if i learned